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To spell this out a bit more: In the old order, women could be raped or seduced by seriously deranged men, and forced to keep the child. It was also easier to force a woman to stay with a very messed up male partner and basically “maintain” him, which increased social stability because it gave more of those men an easy target and outlet for their derangement that was not the rest of society.

Edit: oh also, how could I forget - some people seem to think there were lots of shotgun weddings. In actuality, there were some shotgun weddings, but there were lots more teen moms who did not get marriage out of the deal but were forced to give up their babies and then go back to school and pretend nothing had happened. This doesn’t happen anymore, which is good, but if you want to learn about it there was a book called “The Girls Who Went Away” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girls_Who_Went_Away

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Completed TFR is lowest amongst the educated bottoms out around an associates or BA degree). It bumps up a little for people with graduate degrees but still way below replacement and lower then fertility for the poor.

Further, fertility is very low for top 20% IQ liberals (0.6) then conservatives (1.8).

So I do think we can lay a lot of the fertility shortfall on "girl bosses". What to do about this is a different question, but clearly smart women are choosing careers over children at a great enough rate that we are shredding our smart fraction and causing a demographic and fiscal crisis.

Look, we are all UMC professionals here. We all know what's going on is that marrying in your 30s (if you find the right one) and having one or maybe two kids is basically the default life script. That's because it's more or less what maximizes disposable income, ease of life, and status while leaving one a legacy and feeling of immortality. That lifestyle is going to have to get worse and alternative lifestyles where those people marry younger and have more kids are going to have to get better.

We probably aren't going to be able to do that with maternity leave alone, or the Nordics or whoever else wouldn't also be cratering in TFR.

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